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	Comments on: Expert Panel Analysis of Supreme Court Arguments in Garland v. VanDerStok	</title>
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		By: LKB		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LKB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2024 13:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/expert-panel-analysis-of-supreme-court-arguments-in-garland-v-vanderstok/comment-page-1/#comment-10142&quot;&gt;300BlackoutFan&lt;/a&gt;.

That’s a question I raised for the panel.  

If the plaintiffs had raised a Bruen challenge to the reg in addition to the facial statutory challenge, under a juridical doctrine known as the Rule of Avoidance (in short, don’t decide constitutional issues when there are other ways to reach the result sought), then the lower courts properly held “we can find for you on the APA issue, so we do not (and should not) decide the Bruen issue.”   In such case, a SCOTUS reversal would send the case back down, and then the plaintiffs could say, “OK, now you have to address the Bruen issue.”   And I suspect Thomas would write a dissent saying “while the Bruen issue is not before the court, here’s why on remand it’s important for the lower courts to address it.”

OTOH, if the plaintiffs’ pleadings did NOT assert a Bruen challenge and only made a facial APA challenge to the regs, then its possible that a SCOTUS reversal could mean this case is done (but such would not preclude someone else from making a Bruen challenge.

I’ll check with Cody W. (Counsel for FPC) and Josh Blackman (counsel for Defense Distributed) to see if they included a Bruen challenge in their papers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/expert-panel-analysis-of-supreme-court-arguments-in-garland-v-vanderstok/comment-page-1/#comment-10142">300BlackoutFan</a>.</p>
<p>That’s a question I raised for the panel.  </p>
<p>If the plaintiffs had raised a Bruen challenge to the reg in addition to the facial statutory challenge, under a juridical doctrine known as the Rule of Avoidance (in short, don’t decide constitutional issues when there are other ways to reach the result sought), then the lower courts properly held “we can find for you on the APA issue, so we do not (and should not) decide the Bruen issue.”   In such case, a SCOTUS reversal would send the case back down, and then the plaintiffs could say, “OK, now you have to address the Bruen issue.”   And I suspect Thomas would write a dissent saying “while the Bruen issue is not before the court, here’s why on remand it’s important for the lower courts to address it.”</p>
<p>OTOH, if the plaintiffs’ pleadings did NOT assert a Bruen challenge and only made a facial APA challenge to the regs, then its possible that a SCOTUS reversal could mean this case is done (but such would not preclude someone else from making a Bruen challenge.</p>
<p>I’ll check with Cody W. (Counsel for FPC) and Josh Blackman (counsel for Defense Distributed) to see if they included a Bruen challenge in their papers.</p>
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		By: Dad		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2024 12:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/expert-panel-analysis-of-supreme-court-arguments-in-garland-v-vanderstok/comment-page-1/#comment-10140&quot;&gt;LKB&lt;/a&gt;.

No VPN (retired network and systems engineer ), but login requirement was removed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/expert-panel-analysis-of-supreme-court-arguments-in-garland-v-vanderstok/comment-page-1/#comment-10140">LKB</a>.</p>
<p>No VPN (retired network and systems engineer ), but login requirement was removed.</p>
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		By: 300BlackoutFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[300BlackoutFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 18:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, assuming for a moment that the reading of the room is &quot;against&quot; the plaintiffs and for the government...

Do they re-try it as an afront to 2A?  IE this case is asking &quot;did the ATF overstep their statutory authority&quot;, not &quot;are citizens free from government infringement [ie, shall not be infringed] to produce personally manufactured firearms&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, assuming for a moment that the reading of the room is &#8220;against&#8221; the plaintiffs and for the government&#8230;</p>
<p>Do they re-try it as an afront to 2A?  IE this case is asking &#8220;did the ATF overstep their statutory authority&#8221;, not &#8220;are citizens free from government infringement [ie, shall not be infringed] to produce personally manufactured firearms&#8221;.</p>
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		By: LKB		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LKB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/expert-panel-analysis-of-supreme-court-arguments-in-garland-v-vanderstok/comment-page-1/#comment-10139&quot;&gt;Dad&lt;/a&gt;.

Turn your VPN off and it will play without the sign in requirement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/expert-panel-analysis-of-supreme-court-arguments-in-garland-v-vanderstok/comment-page-1/#comment-10139">Dad</a>.</p>
<p>Turn your VPN off and it will play without the sign in requirement.</p>
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		By: Dad		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/expert-panel-analysis-of-supreme-court-arguments-in-garland-v-vanderstok/comment-page-1/#comment-10138&quot;&gt;Dan Zimmerman&lt;/a&gt;.

It says to sign in to YouTube to prove I’m not a bot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/expert-panel-analysis-of-supreme-court-arguments-in-garland-v-vanderstok/comment-page-1/#comment-10138">Dan Zimmerman</a>.</p>
<p>It says to sign in to YouTube to prove I’m not a bot.</p>
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		By: Dan Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/expert-panel-analysis-of-supreme-court-arguments-in-garland-v-vanderstok/comment-page-1/#comment-10132&quot;&gt;Dad&lt;/a&gt;.

You know you don’t need a YouTube account to watch the video, right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/expert-panel-analysis-of-supreme-court-arguments-in-garland-v-vanderstok/comment-page-1/#comment-10132">Dad</a>.</p>
<p>You know you don’t need a YouTube account to watch the video, right?</p>
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		By: Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recall when &#039;Bruen&#039; was granted cert. that LKB was quite pessimistic on the outcome, based on the fact the Court slightly changing the question to be asked.

And we got so much more with the &#039;one step too many&#039; ruling authored by Thomas.

I guess we&#039;ll see when we see who authors the decision next June...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall when &#8216;Bruen&#8217; was granted cert. that LKB was quite pessimistic on the outcome, based on the fact the Court slightly changing the question to be asked.</p>
<p>And we got so much more with the &#8216;one step too many&#8217; ruling authored by Thomas.</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ll see when we see who authors the decision next June&#8230;</p>
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		By: Dad		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 14:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Got less use for a YouTube account than I do for this video.

No thanks. Publish elsewhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got less use for a YouTube account than I do for this video.</p>
<p>No thanks. Publish elsewhere.</p>
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