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		By: Tired of the bs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tired of the bs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 22:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8076&quot;&gt;Geoff &quot;Possums are remarkable critters&quot; PR&lt;/a&gt;.

Speaking of possum has anyone heard from him? I haven&#039;t seen anything from him for a while.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8076">Geoff &#8220;Possums are remarkable critters&#8221; PR</a>.</p>
<p>Speaking of possum has anyone heard from him? I haven&#8217;t seen anything from him for a while.</p>
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		By: Tired of the bs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tired of the bs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 22:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8104&quot;&gt;Jeff in MS&lt;/a&gt;.

Jeff
Thats been my thought also. Just because Podunk had a no guns in the city law does not mean it was constitutional. 
Most people didn&#039;t even realize they could fight city hall in court and maybe win.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8104">Jeff in MS</a>.</p>
<p>Jeff<br />
Thats been my thought also. Just because Podunk had a no guns in the city law does not mean it was constitutional.<br />
Most people didn&#8217;t even realize they could fight city hall in court and maybe win.</p>
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		By: Jeff in MS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff in MS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &quot;historical analogue&quot; argument is also specious.  If there is one, that in no way indicates that the historical law itself was in any way constitutional.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;historical analogue&#8221; argument is also specious.  If there is one, that in no way indicates that the historical law itself was in any way constitutional.</p>
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		By: LKB		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LKB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8090&quot;&gt;Geoff &quot;I&#039;m getting too old for this shit&quot; PR&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m very familiar with high powered airguns; indeed, my preferred tool for eliminating fruit/veggie stealing squirrels and rabbits is an internally-suppressed, tuned .22 PCP with a sub-4oz two-stage trigger.  With the right pellet, it&#039;ll shoot a ragged one hole pattern all day at 25 yards or less.

But the FA BB gun that the court and the poster identified are nowhere near that powerful, and thus I suspect most rational courts would treat them more like airsoft or paintball guns (i.e., toys) rather than actual weapons.   

But in some states (e.g., NJ), all of those are considered &quot;guns&quot; under state law, and thus YMMV . . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8090">Geoff &#8220;I&#8217;m getting too old for this shit&#8221; PR</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very familiar with high powered airguns; indeed, my preferred tool for eliminating fruit/veggie stealing squirrels and rabbits is an internally-suppressed, tuned .22 PCP with a sub-4oz two-stage trigger.  With the right pellet, it&#8217;ll shoot a ragged one hole pattern all day at 25 yards or less.</p>
<p>But the FA BB gun that the court and the poster identified are nowhere near that powerful, and thus I suspect most rational courts would treat them more like airsoft or paintball guns (i.e., toys) rather than actual weapons.   </p>
<p>But in some states (e.g., NJ), all of those are considered &#8220;guns&#8221; under state law, and thus YMMV . . . .</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[.40 cal Booger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8086&quot;&gt;Scott in phx&lt;/a&gt;.

Ignores context.

As a &#039;privateer&#039; one had to get the blessing of Congress to act as a &#039;privateer&#039; under color of the U.S. (American) authority. Although the term &#039;privateer&#039; is no longer used but rather, mostly, &#039;contractor&#039;.

But, as a private person there were no restrictions on if one could have a cannon and some private people back then did have cannons. And its still the same today.

And still today a private person can own a cannon and there are people who do. They are &#039;bearable arms&#039;. The term &#039;bearable arms&#039; in context with Bruin (and other past SCOTUS decisions) and history and text means the same as it did way back then in the days of the &#039;privateer&#039; and even before ... which is basically ANYTHING a person can use for defense (or offense) - it doesn&#039;t matter how impractical it may seem or how big or heavy it its, and it makes no distinction between, the old &#039;privateer&#039; or todays &#039;contractor&#039; or a private person or the government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8086">Scott in phx</a>.</p>
<p>Ignores context.</p>
<p>As a &#8216;privateer&#8217; one had to get the blessing of Congress to act as a &#8216;privateer&#8217; under color of the U.S. (American) authority. Although the term &#8216;privateer&#8217; is no longer used but rather, mostly, &#8216;contractor&#8217;.</p>
<p>But, as a private person there were no restrictions on if one could have a cannon and some private people back then did have cannons. And its still the same today.</p>
<p>And still today a private person can own a cannon and there are people who do. They are &#8216;bearable arms&#8217;. The term &#8216;bearable arms&#8217; in context with Bruin (and other past SCOTUS decisions) and history and text means the same as it did way back then in the days of the &#8216;privateer&#8217; and even before &#8230; which is basically ANYTHING a person can use for defense (or offense) &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t matter how impractical it may seem or how big or heavy it its, and it makes no distinction between, the old &#8216;privateer&#8217; or todays &#8216;contractor&#8217; or a private person or the government.</p>
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		By: Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 03:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8063&quot;&gt;LKB&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I think most courts would likely exclude the BB gun (not a “weapon” as that term is commonly understood)...&quot;

If spring-powered like the venerable Daisy &#039;Red Ryder&#039;, I&#039;d agree.

However, there are air rifles easily capable of developing the foot-pounds roughly equivalent to modern rimfire rounds like .22lr, if not greater.  Plenty of lethal energy.

Hell, there are even .50 caliber air rifles available :

 https://www.airgundepot.com/big-bore-airguns.html

The &#039;Lewis and Clark&#039; expedition used a potent repeating air rifle :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girardoni_air_rifle]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8063">LKB</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think most courts would likely exclude the BB gun (not a “weapon” as that term is commonly understood)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>If spring-powered like the venerable Daisy &#8216;Red Ryder&#8217;, I&#8217;d agree.</p>
<p>However, there are air rifles easily capable of developing the foot-pounds roughly equivalent to modern rimfire rounds like .22lr, if not greater.  Plenty of lethal energy.</p>
<p>Hell, there are even .50 caliber air rifles available :</p>
<p> <a href="https://www.airgundepot.com/big-bore-airguns.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.airgundepot.com/big-bore-airguns.html</a></p>
<p>The &#8216;Lewis and Clark&#8217; expedition used a potent repeating air rifle :</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girardoni_air_rifle" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girardoni_air_rifle</a></p>
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		By: John B		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 03:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The right to bear ARMS...  all arms -- from derringers to fast attack submarines.  Not just arms you can carry or holster.  ARMS means everything.  No legs.  All ARMS.  Don&#039;t go short and don&#039;t interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right to bear ARMS&#8230;  all arms &#8212; from derringers to fast attack submarines.  Not just arms you can carry or holster.  ARMS means everything.  No legs.  All ARMS.  Don&#8217;t go short and don&#8217;t interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake.</p>
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		By: Scott in phx		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott in phx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8066&quot;&gt;Seawriter&lt;/a&gt;.

You have to ask permission from Congress to be a privateer 

There is no right to be a privateer therefore there is no right to cannons in order to be a privateer 

Now you may have a right to cannons outright under the 9A using Tench Coxe&#039;s &quot;every terrible implement of war&quot; quote as support for that

But the 2A covers only bearable arms and the privateer clauses does not change that]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8066">Seawriter</a>.</p>
<p>You have to ask permission from Congress to be a privateer </p>
<p>There is no right to be a privateer therefore there is no right to cannons in order to be a privateer </p>
<p>Now you may have a right to cannons outright under the 9A using Tench Coxe&#8217;s &#8220;every terrible implement of war&#8221; quote as support for that</p>
<p>But the 2A covers only bearable arms and the privateer clauses does not change that</p>
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		By: Scott in phx		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott in phx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8057&quot;&gt;LKB&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;To keep and bear cannons&quot; doesn&#039;t work as English grammar and the Founders certainly would have been able to write an amendment protecting arms to big to &quot;bear&quot; if they wanted to

So, no, the 2A is about bearable arms

Now you may have a right to cannons etc but if so I would look for that under the 9A.  You could use Tench Coxe&#039;s &quot;every terrible implement of war&quot; quote as support for such a right]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/law/district-court-tosses-machine-gun-possession-charge-rules-theyre-bearable-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-8057">LKB</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;To keep and bear cannons&#8221; doesn&#8217;t work as English grammar and the Founders certainly would have been able to write an amendment protecting arms to big to &#8220;bear&#8221; if they wanted to</p>
<p>So, no, the 2A is about bearable arms</p>
<p>Now you may have a right to cannons etc but if so I would look for that under the 9A.  You could use Tench Coxe&#8217;s &#8220;every terrible implement of war&#8221; quote as support for such a right</p>
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		By: JC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ya, but....Who could afford the ammo?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, but&#8230;.Who could afford the ammo?</p>
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