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		By: Nanashi		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s one you missed: The Constitution of Texas, explicitly and openly modeled after that of the US, actually has the right to keep and bear arms AND a separate militia provision in an entirely different provision.

&quot;Fourteenth. Every citizen shall have the right to bear arms in defence of himself and the Republic. The military shall at all times and in all cases be subordinate to the civil power.&quot;
&quot;Fifteenth. The sure and certain defence of a free people is a well-regulated militia; and it shall be the duty of the Legislature to enact such laws as may be necessary to the organizing of the militia of this Republic.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one you missed: The Constitution of Texas, explicitly and openly modeled after that of the US, actually has the right to keep and bear arms AND a separate militia provision in an entirely different provision.</p>
<p>&#8220;Fourteenth. Every citizen shall have the right to bear arms in defence of himself and the Republic. The military shall at all times and in all cases be subordinate to the civil power.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Fifteenth. The sure and certain defence of a free people is a well-regulated militia; and it shall be the duty of the Legislature to enact such laws as may be necessary to the organizing of the militia of this Republic.&#8221;</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[.40 cal Booger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2024 09:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-nation/warren-burger-got-it-wrong-19th-century-sources-confirm-the-2a-protects-an-individual-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11146&quot;&gt;.40 cal Booger&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;A. Dred Scott

Dred Scott may be the best-known case decided by the antebellum Supreme Court. Even persons who think that &quot;Marbury vs. Madison&quot; was an important boxing match may have some passing familiarity with &quot;Dred Scott.&quot; The Dred Scott case is sometimes found among Standard Model articles on the Second Amendment,(284) but is entirely absent from the anti-individual right articles.

Chief Justice Taney&#039;s majority opinion held that a free black could not be an American citizen. To support this conclusion, Justice Taney enumerated the parade of horribles which would follow from American citizenship for blacks: they would have the right to &quot;the full liberty of speech in public and private upon all subjects upon which its [a state&#039;s] own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went.&quot;(285)

Another part of the opinion explained that Congress had no power to infringe upon civil liberty (including, from the Taney Court&#039;s viewpoint, the right to possess property in the form of slaves) in the territories:

    [N]o one, we presume, will contend that Congress can make any law in a Territory respecting the establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people of the Territory peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for the redress of grievances. . . .

    Nor can Congress deny to the people the right to keep and bear arms, nor the right to trial by jury, nor compel any one to be a witness against himself in a criminal proceeding . . . .(286)

The above statement, which treated the right to arms as one of several enumerated constitutional rights belonging to individuals, was widely quoted during the debates over slavery and popular sovereignty.(287)

Dred Scott, while never formally overruled, is not good law today, having been deliberately invalidated by section one of the Fourteenth Amendment. The purpose in discussing Dred Scott is not to cite it as binding precedent, but to acknowledge it as one of several nineteenth-century Supreme Court cases involving the right to arms--all of which, as we shall see, treat the Second Amendment as an individual right.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-nation/warren-burger-got-it-wrong-19th-century-sources-confirm-the-2a-protects-an-individual-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11146">.40 cal Booger</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;A. Dred Scott</p>
<p>Dred Scott may be the best-known case decided by the antebellum Supreme Court. Even persons who think that &#8220;Marbury vs. Madison&#8221; was an important boxing match may have some passing familiarity with &#8220;Dred Scott.&#8221; The Dred Scott case is sometimes found among Standard Model articles on the Second Amendment,(284) but is entirely absent from the anti-individual right articles.</p>
<p>Chief Justice Taney&#8217;s majority opinion held that a free black could not be an American citizen. To support this conclusion, Justice Taney enumerated the parade of horribles which would follow from American citizenship for blacks: they would have the right to &#8220;the full liberty of speech in public and private upon all subjects upon which its [a state&#8217;s] own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went.&#8221;(285)</p>
<p>Another part of the opinion explained that Congress had no power to infringe upon civil liberty (including, from the Taney Court&#8217;s viewpoint, the right to possess property in the form of slaves) in the territories:</p>
<p>    [N]o one, we presume, will contend that Congress can make any law in a Territory respecting the establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people of the Territory peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for the redress of grievances. . . .</p>
<p>    Nor can Congress deny to the people the right to keep and bear arms, nor the right to trial by jury, nor compel any one to be a witness against himself in a criminal proceeding . . . .(286)</p>
<p>The above statement, which treated the right to arms as one of several enumerated constitutional rights belonging to individuals, was widely quoted during the debates over slavery and popular sovereignty.(287)</p>
<p>Dred Scott, while never formally overruled, is not good law today, having been deliberately invalidated by section one of the Fourteenth Amendment. The purpose in discussing Dred Scott is not to cite it as binding precedent, but to acknowledge it as one of several nineteenth-century Supreme Court cases involving the right to arms&#8211;all of which, as we shall see, treat the Second Amendment as an individual right.&#8221;</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[.40 cal Booger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2024 09:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-nation/warren-burger-got-it-wrong-19th-century-sources-confirm-the-2a-protects-an-individual-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11123&quot;&gt;Mark Weinburg&lt;/a&gt;.

Dred Scott was used, just not in the article here. One of his references (item # 6 numbered above) points to this link &#062; h ttps://davekopel.org/2A/LawRev/19thcentury.htm &#062; where Dred Scott is used.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-nation/warren-burger-got-it-wrong-19th-century-sources-confirm-the-2a-protects-an-individual-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11123">Mark Weinburg</a>.</p>
<p>Dred Scott was used, just not in the article here. One of his references (item # 6 numbered above) points to this link &gt; h ttps://davekopel.org/2A/LawRev/19thcentury.htm &gt; where Dred Scott is used.</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[.40 cal Booger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2024 09:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-nation/warren-burger-got-it-wrong-19th-century-sources-confirm-the-2a-protects-an-individual-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11116&quot;&gt;300BlackoutFan&lt;/a&gt;.

Dred Scott was used, just not in the article here. One of his references (item # 6 numbered above) points to this link &#062; h ttps://davekopel.org/2A/LawRev/19thcentury.htm &#062; where Dred Scott is used.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-nation/warren-burger-got-it-wrong-19th-century-sources-confirm-the-2a-protects-an-individual-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11116">300BlackoutFan</a>.</p>
<p>Dred Scott was used, just not in the article here. One of his references (item # 6 numbered above) points to this link &gt; h ttps://davekopel.org/2A/LawRev/19thcentury.htm &gt; where Dred Scott is used.</p>
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		By: Scott in Phx		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott in Phx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rawle got it right

Even at the time of the Founding the 2A was a bar on state infringement also

The early decisions by the SC restricting application of the BofR to Congress were wrong

We don&#039;t (and didn&#039;t) need the &quot;legal fiction&quot; (as laid out by Thomas in MacDonald) of &quot;incorporation&quot; 

The 2A straight up bars infringement by BOTH Congress and the states]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rawle got it right</p>
<p>Even at the time of the Founding the 2A was a bar on state infringement also</p>
<p>The early decisions by the SC restricting application of the BofR to Congress were wrong</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t (and didn&#8217;t) need the &#8220;legal fiction&#8221; (as laid out by Thomas in MacDonald) of &#8220;incorporation&#8221; </p>
<p>The 2A straight up bars infringement by BOTH Congress and the states</p>
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		By: Mark Weinburg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Weinburg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-nation/warren-burger-got-it-wrong-19th-century-sources-confirm-the-2a-protects-an-individual-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11121&quot;&gt;Mark Weinburg&lt;/a&gt;.

Ha 300BlackoutFan beat me to it. Kudos to you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-nation/warren-burger-got-it-wrong-19th-century-sources-confirm-the-2a-protects-an-individual-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11121">Mark Weinburg</a>.</p>
<p>Ha 300BlackoutFan beat me to it. Kudos to you!</p>
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		By: Mark Weinburg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Weinburg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I only had time to scan but I did not see Roger Taney’s decision in the Dred Scott decision in 1857. 

Among the arguments he advanced to prove how implausible it was to recognize that a black man had any rights a white man need recognize was among other issues that a black man recognized as a citizen by any state could freely travel about unhindered, speak out on any issue and own and bear arms. 

I have read that this was the first mention of this right in a federal judicial opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only had time to scan but I did not see Roger Taney’s decision in the Dred Scott decision in 1857. </p>
<p>Among the arguments he advanced to prove how implausible it was to recognize that a black man had any rights a white man need recognize was among other issues that a black man recognized as a citizen by any state could freely travel about unhindered, speak out on any issue and own and bear arms. </p>
<p>I have read that this was the first mention of this right in a federal judicial opinion.</p>
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		By: 300BlackoutFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[300BlackoutFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m surprised that the Dred Scott case was not used - it was cited in Bruen by Thomas:
For if they were so received, and entitled to the privileges and immunities of citizens, ...; and it would 
give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own 
citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, &lt;b&gt;and to keep and carry arms 
wherever they went.&lt;/b&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that the Dred Scott case was not used &#8211; it was cited in Bruen by Thomas:<br />
For if they were so received, and entitled to the privileges and immunities of citizens, &#8230;; and it would<br />
give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own<br />
citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, <b>and to keep and carry arms<br />
wherever they went.</b></p>
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		By: I Haz A Question		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Haz A Question]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-nation/warren-burger-got-it-wrong-19th-century-sources-confirm-the-2a-protects-an-individual-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11044&quot;&gt;Hush&lt;/a&gt;.

Hmm.  Wondering where my comment I posted here yesterday went?  Memory holed entirely?  SNW&#039;s moderation is now just as wonky and unpredictable as TTAG&#039;s got before Dan&#039;s departure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-nation/warren-burger-got-it-wrong-19th-century-sources-confirm-the-2a-protects-an-individual-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11044">Hush</a>.</p>
<p>Hmm.  Wondering where my comment I posted here yesterday went?  Memory holed entirely?  SNW&#8217;s moderation is now just as wonky and unpredictable as TTAG&#8217;s got before Dan&#8217;s departure.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[.40 cal Booger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2024 14:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is really a good source, its a shame he could not put all in this article though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really a good source, its a shame he could not put all in this article though.</p>
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