“at the end of the day what would dems lose by giving up on the gun issue?”

First I think gun control means too much for them now to give up on it. I think they’re working toward a controllable populace which is why they’re laser focused on replacing American values and traditions with something very different. If they did an about-face, it would infuriate and confuse their base. I don’t think it would bring many gun voters because people wouldn’t trust Dems to be pro-2A after their trashing of the Constitution for years.

Personally speaking as a former independent, I’ve never been a one issue voter. I think the lines are clearly drawn for one issue voters. When I came to the conclusion that Trump was the logical choice for 2016, I had not fully given up on Democrats. When they began pushing the Russia nonsense, I was highly skeptical of them. Then when Democrats went all in on ruining Kavanaugh (they never even proved that he met that liar), I decided I was officially done with them. It’s not that Republicans are good. It’s that Democrats are horrible. They can’t be trusted. They’re now openly highly immoral. They hate the Constitution and American traditions. That’s why they’ll never be pro-2A.

thanks dude. i appreciate the dose of cold water. maybe you’re right it’s just a fantasy.

it’s just that i’m seeing that gun control has not been a winning issue for the dems. so i’m not understanding why they keep trying.

maybe the dems know they already have dem gun owner votes so why bother changing the rhetoric? maybe they think no reps will ever turn and go back? (would you consider it, even slightly, if they fully embraced gun rights?)

i’m suggesting there are gun owners out there who would switch back to voting for dems if dems simply drop the gun control issue.

i assume most pols act based on polling data. (but as we saw with trump winning sometimes the polls are wrong.) and when it comes to guns people are not honest in polls because of privacy issues.

at the end of the day what would dems lose by giving up on the gun issue? what would the dem voters do if the dem pols did? the dem voters would not turn and vote trump in response. so dems would only stand to pick up extra people. i must be missing something.

I seriously doubt there are that many single issue independent voters. 95% of serious gun people will be voting R from here on out. The few serious gun people that vote for Dems are hardcore communists. The rest are Fudds. No offense, but Dems giving up on gun control is a pipe dream with no grounding in reality. They will NEVER go back to the pre-Clinton era guns aren’t a left-right issue. They’ve had decades to do so, and the rhetoric and wannabe tyrant policies have gone hard left just like every other topic has.

I know that most people don’t want to tranz their children. However, normal/informed people are horrified to discover how important that is to modern Democrats (and it is very important to them). The only people left voting for Democrats are: hardcore leftists, ignorant people that don’t pay attention, people who stand to profit from welfare (incl. white collar welfare student loan payoffs, climate scam trillions, etc.), and the people who long ago picked a partisan side, and can’t dream of voting for the other team.

You seem like a reasonable guy. You’re obviously rooting for Democrats. If you don’t mind me asking: 1) Why do you still want to support them? and 2) What’s keeping you from supporting Republicans. Full disclosure: I’m a former Democrat-leaning independent, so I probably understand this topic better than most. I might be busy today, but I’ll check back late or tomorrow.

those other issues are less important to most people. (over half have guns while very few are hermaphrodites or personally need an abortion.) we overlook a ridiculous amount of trump nonsense too.

tons of labor folks quietly voted trump in the past and they would do so again in a heartbeat if biden would drop this gun control nonsense.

can you imagine what a huge boost it would be to biden if he came out tomorrow and said something like “i’m here to bring the country together and admit my party has been wrong about guns. the supreme court has spoken and we all have an individual god given right to keep and bear arms. it’s necessary for a free republic. i’m here to bring us together and stop bickering about this issue. the government will stop infringing on the right to bear arms and my party will no longer pursue this issue as a political matter. join with me today and celebrate the bill of rights and the freedoms fundamental to our security and prosperity.”

i guarantee he’d yank back at least 40 percent of independent voters and reps if he did this.

They’d also have to go back to sane border control and abortion that is “safe, legal, and rare.” Oh and stop acting like it’s a grand idea to chop little girls’ breasts off, and transitioning 5 year old boys “into” girls. But they will never do those things because that’s everything to them.

More people are catching on to their schemes which is why they’re desperate to replace the population with people that have a track record of electing so-shall-list tyrants.

After they announced the 10,000 indictments against Trump, my dad asked how people could support him now. I said you know they’re persecuting him because he’s a political opponent, right? He looked confused. It’s crazy because he’s a retired judge and lawyer, and still can’t see beyond the partisan lens. As best I can tell, he made a decision in law school that the Democrats were the “good guys” because they were “pro-labor” while the Republicans were the bad guys for the big, evil corporations. He even wanted to be a labor lawyer right after school. Dems will still pretend to be for the “little guy” to hang onto support from people like my dad.

If open borders were a good thing, then why aren’t they bragging about it? Why do they play dumb, and say things like the border is secure? They play these games to hang onto people like my dad. It’s sad, but true. During the 2020 madness, I said you know this is a cultural revolution, right? He nodded yes. He understands on some level, but he can’t bring himself to support anyone other than Democrats since he spent his pre-judge days being very politically involved. You’re not supposed to be overtly political when you’re a judge because that scares people, but the dirty little secret is that judges are the most political. That’s how they became judges (political connections).

LOL yeah about what I hear from my dad and most of his friends. My mom is starting to connect some dots but it is a hard thing to admit you were fooled for decades.

But Trump said it would be a bloodbath!!! I saw him say it! He hates black people and the gaes!

The TV people wouldn’t lead me astray. The debate moderators are fair journalists. Democrats are for acceptance and love. Uncle Joe just gave a positive and uplifting commencement speech to young black people because he wants to help them. Some clapped when he told them America hates them.