That is why no one will remember your name.

It can work, other things can work better, not everyone can effectively use other things. So just do the best you can with what works as everything else is counting angels dancing on the head of a pin. Now do I want to see a non rimmed 32acp equivalent become popular damn right but not the world we live in.

Imagine getting repeatedly stabbed with a .22 caliber ice pick from 25 feet away.

If anyone remembers my mentioning this several times over the years on that “other” site…my childhood best friend died quickly from a single .22LR to the head (he was an adult at the time of his death). .22LR is not optimum, we probably can all agree, but don’t ever poo-poo it as useless.

I could see 32acp/30sc/32hr/327fed options doing well for some people depending on size/weight of gun and size/strength of person. As to the just lift bro mindset yeah it works great for otherwise healthy and whole people but crippling injury and illness are things that sometimes exercise does nothing to undo let alone keep up with so I tend to ignore that one even if I do lift.

My wife has poor hand strength, but is deadly accurate at Tueller distances with .22lr. She trains with her S&W M&P 22 Full Size with a red laser alternating shots to the groin and head. Both are equally incapacitating.

Gyrojet doesn’t have great performance at bad breath distance so back to the drawing board.

“Recoil, well get used to it”.

Wrong! I am the customer. I want a handgun that is reliable and effective in a DGU….and has no perceived recoil. If we can put people on the Moon, and into cylinders in space, why can’t gun manufacturers create firearms that produce zero recoil. I find that people always offer excuses about how “it can’t be done”. Excuses need to be overcome, not remain excuses for making excuses.