The time is coming. At least in some parts of the USA. The slaves states. Where you will need to do this.

It’s unfortunate but it seems many folks need to learn again. That Liberty comes with responsibility, consequences, and accountability.

There is nothing “free” with Liberty.

And no. You don’t have the freedom to do whatever you want to. Every thing you do has a cost.

The problem is there are those that want others to pay the bill.

“The number of words is usually The Tell.”

And what is that number?

Or is this question too many words?

Some people don’t write for low attention span people who thrive on short quips and think that’s all the internet is for to satisfy some arbitrary self-satisfying ‘standard’ they created. Some people like to express complete ‘ideas’ in other than short quips.

Whoops…. there I go again with confusing the self-appointed drive-by critic posters with too many words.

I look at signal-to-noise ratio. The number of words is usually The Tell.

Looks like this site has become the Booger Show. I wonder if he’s connected to the admins…

Clarification for: “…which means you get up to $30,000 coverage by use of both.”

If you have AOR or USCCA (and most other insurances) the $$$ coverage for an attorney is up to the amount of their coverage. If for example, you used only AOR or USCCA (and most other insurances) when that coverage amount it reached the attorney fees start coming out of your pocket if you need to go further for your legal efforts against the ‘red flag’. I think AOR will give you a discounted rate in this case because you are a member (you need to check with them), but it still comes out of your pocket for what ever that discounted rate is.

If you have both of them, say for example AOR (or another attorney-pre-pay-monthly-plan and USCCA (and most other insurances) – you need to contact both of them about the ‘red flag’ situation when it happens. Tell one or the other that you will be using them first and in the event it runs over their limit you will switch to the other. This way you can maintain the same attorney and continue your fight agai9nst the red flag without out of pocket attorney fees if you hit the $$$ limit of the first plan you selected to use. Make sure what ever plan you have that one will work with the other in this case.

correction for : “And Attorneys On Retainer (AOR) now also provides such ‘red flag’ coverage (but at lower $$$ amount) …”

This should have been just: “And Attorneys On Retainer (AOR) now also provides such ‘red flag’ coverage …”

(The $$$ amount for AOR ‘red flag’ coverage is about the same as the others).

In addition to my above post:

If you select one of the monthly/annual pay ‘insurance type’ ‘plans’ for coverage from any of the ‘self-defense/gun-owner’ companies or ‘legal services’, including AOR, for coverage – check for their minor child coverage also. If you have minor children in the home make sure to check on the coverage for minor children. If in the very unfortunate event a minor child has to use a firearm to defend the home or their self or family members (many cases of this happening), or does something like talking about guns to their friends at school and a teacher hearing it gets all ‘left wing activist’ and wants to have them ‘red flagged’ – the child can be subjected to the law (and in some cases the parents too). So you will need some form of coverage for this that covers your minor children.

I also recommend you cover both you and spouse also. Always cover your spouse even if he/she does not carry or use firearms – the reason for this is these plans do not just cover use of firearms but rather cover the use of basically anything used for defense. If for example, your spouse has to use the car to run over the attacker, the plans cover it – if the spouse uses the frying pan to defend against a home invader, the plans cover it, pepper spray or taser the plans cover it, etc…. So don’t leave you spouse without coverage also even if he/she does not use or carry a firearm. In addition, also inquire about coverage for others while in your home – for example, you have a guest or relative staying with you for a few days and while you are out someone breaks in and your guest/relative needs to defend their self against a home invader.

Some of these plans have a ‘family coverage’ plan. Some of them still have coverage under the primary plan but don’t call it a ‘family plan’. So always call them and discuss it, read their coverage.

Also another thing…. all of these maintain an ’emergency/immediate’ contact line, even AOR. But when you call it you may not always be speaking to an attorney initially. For example, if you call USCCA the person that answers the phone is usually not an attorney and its the same with most of the other ‘insurance’ plans – this is the ‘intake number person’, and, basically, that person will get information from you and start arranging for an attorney. You do not have attorney-client privilege with this person then anything you tell them can be subject to subpoena and that person can even be called as a witness – their phone calls are recorded. So in the event you do have an incident and need to call that number – when you speak to this person you should first ask “Are you an attorney acting on my behalf?” before you start blurting out details of the incident and if they are not an attorney acting on your behalf its just “I was the victim of a crime, I was forced to defend myself” with your name and membership info and if you have been or will be detained and where and by what law enforcement agency then “I need an attorney now” and they will arrange for one and there may be a few more questions for information they need (i.e. address, other people they can speak with in your family) to help them do that. A non-insurance based legal rep plan like AOR, the person that answers the phone will usually be an attorney but still always ask “Are you an attorney acting on my behalf?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSUvZbnfmZQ

So simple.

Both of these, US LawShield and USCCA, have coverage for such. And Attorneys On Retainer (AOR) now also provides such ‘red flag’ coverage (but at lower $$$ amount) plus they will also work with USCCA (although they don’t advertise it, but if you speak with them they will tell you they do along with others but unfortunately not with US LawShield the last time I spoke with them) which means a more comprehensive $$$ coverage as both cover up to $15,000 for attorney fees and expenses to defend against “Extreme Risk Protection Orders” (Red Flag laws) which means you get up to $30,000 coverage by use of both.