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That the “crime problem” is almost an exclusively inner (blue) city problem is the most obvious fact that is, strangely, never discussed honestly by most politicians or the MSM. Venture over out of straight Zip Code breakdowns to demographic breakdowns, and watch the fun REALLY start.

Exclude the ten most violent zip codes (which are all inner-city areas) from the statistics as outliers and the US is one of the safest countries in the world. There are many people around the world who wish their government didn’t infringe on their right to carry self-defensive tools. Criminals don’t care about laws, and if for some reason they can’t get their hands on one tool they’ll use another. Look at the carnage regularly inflicted in China with sharp instruments and BMWs.

Clarification for: “And even for ‘gun homicide murder’ rate – gun ownership still does not correlate with ‘gun homicide murder’ rate – and when we look at it on a rate basis (Everytown is using a rate basis in their stupid statement, and a world wide view here so its just as fair, and is correct, to compare it to other countries in rate per inhabitants) per 100,000 inhabitants on a world wide scale we find the United States rate is lower than any other country.”

Note: My above post is incomplete. The stupid SNW ghost post thing will not let me post the rest of the information and links to the information.

This one of their stupid answers intended to make sense to stupid people.

Almost every country in the world has a ‘gun homicide rate’ even countries that ban guns. But what exactly is the ‘homicide’ they are talking about? A lot of ignorant people see the term ‘homicide’ and instantly think ‘murder’, when the term ‘homicide’ by its self like Everytown uses it does not mean ‘murder’ at all, for it to mean something it needs to be qualified as to type. Its like just saying ‘water happens at some rate’, is it rain water or tap water or flood water or river water, etc.., it needs to be qualified as to the type. Is it ‘justifiable homicide’ (AKA ‘valid legal self defense’), its it ‘murder homicide’, its is ‘manslaughter homicide’. Everytown plays tricks with their numbers, as does every anti-gun org, they include this very broad term ‘homicide’ but when you get a look at their actual data sources you find they included ‘justifiable homicide’ (AKA ‘valid legal self defense’). So yes, overall, those people who did ‘justifiable homicide’ were indeed safer as a result.

And even for ‘gun homicide murder’ rate – gun ownership still does not correlate with ‘gun homicide murder’ rate – and when we look at it on a rate basis (Everytown is using a rate basis in their stupid statement, and a world wide view here so its just as fair, and is correct, to compare it to other countries in rate per inhabitants) per 100,000 inhabitants on a world wide scale we find the United States rate is lower than any other country.

Shire-man,

Building on your comment:

If emotion drove someone into their position, facts and reasoning will almost never succeed in enlightening them and leading them to change their position.

I also concur that a disturbingly large number of people are nasty and indeed want a reason to berate you.

Nah, Everytown put the whole ass in.