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		By: John Donato		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2025 15:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to see a bar graph of firearm deaths by actual age, not age group.]]></description>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[.40 cal Booger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2025 18:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/things-get-messy-fast-when-you-dig-into-the-number-behind-the-gun-control-industrys-favorite-talking-points/comment-page-1/#comment-48145&quot;&gt;.40 cal Booger&lt;/a&gt;.

anyway, that&#039;s the reason I stopped posting citations for what I write sometimes. Its not because there are no true factual citations available that I can post - its because I got tired of doing the research for people. I used to post citations over at TTAG for dacian, but then I realized it didn&#039;t matter how many factual true citations I posted he was still going to ignore them and continue to argue in the face of actual truth and fact because they did not fit his confirmation bias. Its the same with Miner49er, he challenges for citations but I don&#039;t post them and instead tell him to do his own research and I even drop little hints for him sometimes to help him do his research - its not that I can&#039;t post citations, its that I&#039;m not going to do his research for him because I know he is still going to argue and TDS because he needs to feed that mental illness confirmation bias.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/things-get-messy-fast-when-you-dig-into-the-number-behind-the-gun-control-industrys-favorite-talking-points/comment-page-1/#comment-48145">.40 cal Booger</a>.</p>
<p>anyway, that&#8217;s the reason I stopped posting citations for what I write sometimes. Its not because there are no true factual citations available that I can post &#8211; its because I got tired of doing the research for people. I used to post citations over at TTAG for dacian, but then I realized it didn&#8217;t matter how many factual true citations I posted he was still going to ignore them and continue to argue in the face of actual truth and fact because they did not fit his confirmation bias. Its the same with Miner49er, he challenges for citations but I don&#8217;t post them and instead tell him to do his own research and I even drop little hints for him sometimes to help him do his research &#8211; its not that I can&#8217;t post citations, its that I&#8217;m not going to do his research for him because I know he is still going to argue and TDS because he needs to feed that mental illness confirmation bias.</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[.40 cal Booger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2025 18:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/things-get-messy-fast-when-you-dig-into-the-number-behind-the-gun-control-industrys-favorite-talking-points/comment-page-1/#comment-48141&quot;&gt;.40 cal Booger&lt;/a&gt;.

correction for: &quot;...because they took it all out of context.&quot;

should have been ...

because they took it all out of context and didn&#039;t bother to research it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/things-get-messy-fast-when-you-dig-into-the-number-behind-the-gun-control-industrys-favorite-talking-points/comment-page-1/#comment-48141">.40 cal Booger</a>.</p>
<p>correction for: &#8220;&#8230;because they took it all out of context.&#8221;</p>
<p>should have been &#8230;</p>
<p>because they took it all out of context and didn&#8217;t bother to research it.</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[.40 cal Booger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2025 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/things-get-messy-fast-when-you-dig-into-the-number-behind-the-gun-control-industrys-favorite-talking-points/comment-page-1/#comment-48042&quot;&gt;Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

A lot of people never look at the source documents, never do research into the subject - these tend to take at face value things said by &#039;doctors&#039; and &#039;scientists&#039; and &#039;researchers&#039; and &#039;people with titles at organizations&#039; etc... and maybe sometimes you get people who are a little more curious who do a kind of lite-research but usually nothing in depth.

Then there are the complete morons in the left wing who jump on anything the left wing media prints believing it to be &#039;gospel&#039; and you can even see when that happens, for example, left wing media says &#039;Guns the number one killer of children&#039; and it becomes an actual &#039;citation&#039; for them when the left wing media source was propagating a lie. Miner49er (in another comment section) just did this with a story published by the Guardian, the claims the Guardian made (that Miner49 posted in his TDS meltdown) were false and it took all of a minute of research to find out they were false - but Miner49er, like most left wingers, doesn&#039;t really know what &#039;research&#039; and &#039;context&#039; is so they make up for it by having the left wing media feed their confirmation bias and it becomes &#039;gospel&#039; to them and to argue it they use a lot of &#039;out of context&#039; stuff because its what fed their confirmation bias then they claim &quot;but I posted a citation&#039; like that someway makes it true or correct when their argument wasn&#039;t true to begin with because they took it all out of context.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/things-get-messy-fast-when-you-dig-into-the-number-behind-the-gun-control-industrys-favorite-talking-points/comment-page-1/#comment-48042">Dude</a>.</p>
<p>A lot of people never look at the source documents, never do research into the subject &#8211; these tend to take at face value things said by &#8216;doctors&#8217; and &#8216;scientists&#8217; and &#8216;researchers&#8217; and &#8216;people with titles at organizations&#8217; etc&#8230; and maybe sometimes you get people who are a little more curious who do a kind of lite-research but usually nothing in depth.</p>
<p>Then there are the complete morons in the left wing who jump on anything the left wing media prints believing it to be &#8216;gospel&#8217; and you can even see when that happens, for example, left wing media says &#8216;Guns the number one killer of children&#8217; and it becomes an actual &#8216;citation&#8217; for them when the left wing media source was propagating a lie. Miner49er (in another comment section) just did this with a story published by the Guardian, the claims the Guardian made (that Miner49 posted in his TDS meltdown) were false and it took all of a minute of research to find out they were false &#8211; but Miner49er, like most left wingers, doesn&#8217;t really know what &#8216;research&#8217; and &#8216;context&#8217; is so they make up for it by having the left wing media feed their confirmation bias and it becomes &#8216;gospel&#8217; to them and to argue it they use a lot of &#8216;out of context&#8217; stuff because its what fed their confirmation bias then they claim &#8220;but I posted a citation&#8217; like that someway makes it true or correct when their argument wasn&#8217;t true to begin with because they took it all out of context.</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[.40 cal Booger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2025 16:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/things-get-messy-fast-when-you-dig-into-the-number-behind-the-gun-control-industrys-favorite-talking-points/comment-page-1/#comment-48025&quot;&gt;.40 cal Booger&lt;/a&gt;.

Correction for: &quot;... it was designed ‘AR-15’ (the 15th rifle design in the ARmalite design cycle of rifles in general)...&quot;

should have been ...

...  it was designated ‘AR-15’ (the 15th rifle design in the ARmalite design cycle of rifles in general)...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/things-get-messy-fast-when-you-dig-into-the-number-behind-the-gun-control-industrys-favorite-talking-points/comment-page-1/#comment-48025">.40 cal Booger</a>.</p>
<p>Correction for: &#8220;&#8230; it was designed ‘AR-15’ (the 15th rifle design in the ARmalite design cycle of rifles in general)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>should have been &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;  it was designated ‘AR-15’ (the 15th rifle design in the ARmalite design cycle of rifles in general)&#8230;</p>
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		By: Dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2025 12:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How many people actually look at source documents vs. listening to the news people/influencers/politicians talk?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many people actually look at source documents vs. listening to the news people/influencers/politicians talk?</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[.40 cal Booger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2025 11:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anti-gun have always used word and semantics and number and statistic and &#039;research&#039; games to support their false narrative propaganda.

Although the anti-gun actions for what is their false narrative propaganda is rooted in the marxist socialist concept of control-propaganda, the current, modern day, version concept of it began with Josh Sugarman. 

Josh Sugarman was the anti-gun guy who made up the concept of the terms &#039;assault rifle&#039; and &#039;assault weapon&#039; being applied to the semi-auto MSR (i.e. civilian semi-auto AR-15). He did it as a means to dupe the public into thinking a civilian semi-auto rifle was a &#039;military machine gun&#039; that was created for &#039;military use on the battlefield&#039;. Even Sugarman admitted his application was false in that he even said in his own words he created that association as a means to dupe the public. 

But if we go deeper we find a few things, among them is that the AR-15 was not originally created as a &#039;military rifle&#039;, but rather the original design was intended to be a civilian semi-auto sporting rifle with &#039;military style cosmetics&#039; intended to appeal to a growing &#039;nich&#039; market of gun owners who wanted such a rifle. It was not until a little later that the design was granted the Armalite design designation &#039;AR-15&#039;. If we research further we find that the AR-15 was never really a military rifle at all as it was never, and has never been in use as, a issued U.S. military rifle contrary to what the anti-gun claim - it actually began life as a civilian only rifle design, it was designed &#039;AR-15&#039; (the 15th rifle design in the ARmalite design cycle of rifles in general), changes were made to the design in an attempt to provide a military model of the original civilian design to attract the military market but this attempt by Armalite failed to capture the military market. Now enters Colt, who buys the patent for the &#039;AR-15&#039;, they do some re-design producing what is in effect a &#039;different&#039; design that&#039;s focused on the military market that Colt wanted to capture and it worked, and then the Colt re-design of the Armalite patent was designated the &#039;M-16&#039;. 

I bring this up to show one of the little word and semantics games the anti-gun play. Contrary to what the anti-gun say, the civilian semi-auto AR-15 was never originally created as a &#039;weapon of war&#039; or &#039;assault weapon&#039; for the U.S. military. It was originally created as a civil only semi-auto rifle and never entered U.S. military service. Josh Sugarman knew this, he even used old Armalite documents (from the original company and designers, not the same as today&#039;s Armalite which is owned now by a different company who purchased the name and DBA Armalite) in his research that showed this to be true and stated as such in some of his older writings and musings under different &#039;pseudonyms&#039; he frequently used to spew anti-gun rethoric in writings, and sources on line have verified the true origin of the AR-15 as a civilian only rifle to be true. Unfortunately, in the gun community the first they really heard of the rifle was as the &#039;AR-15&#039; when Eugene Stoner adapted the original civilian only design to attempt to capture the military market when it was then designated &#039;AR-15&#039; so he is credited with &#039;creation&#039; of the AR-15 even though he didn&#039;t actually &#039;originally create&#039; it but rather adapted the original civilian only design that had not been given a design designation because it was not going to be marketed because Eugene Stoner came along and convinced Armalite to focus on the military market (this decision is what eventually caused the original Armalite to fail and force the sell of patents to Colt). 

But, Josh Sugarman was also a fan of Paul Joseph Goebbels, yes that Goebbels - the chief propagandist for the Nazi Party and then Reich Minister of Propaganda from 1933 to 1945, one of Hitlers buddies. Sugarman had studied and adopted the techniques and methods of Goebbels for how words and semantics and numbers could be used to fool people into believing a false narrative to gain control of a population and enrich the &#039;ruling class&#039;. Sugarman began to push these techniques into the anti-gun efforts and line it up for anti-gun &#039;researchers&#039;. And today&#039;s modern incarnation of gun-control narrative, as a result Sugarmans efforts, is one of the biggest frauds perpetrated on the American public.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-gun have always used word and semantics and number and statistic and &#8216;research&#8217; games to support their false narrative propaganda.</p>
<p>Although the anti-gun actions for what is their false narrative propaganda is rooted in the marxist socialist concept of control-propaganda, the current, modern day, version concept of it began with Josh Sugarman. </p>
<p>Josh Sugarman was the anti-gun guy who made up the concept of the terms &#8216;assault rifle&#8217; and &#8216;assault weapon&#8217; being applied to the semi-auto MSR (i.e. civilian semi-auto AR-15). He did it as a means to dupe the public into thinking a civilian semi-auto rifle was a &#8216;military machine gun&#8217; that was created for &#8216;military use on the battlefield&#8217;. Even Sugarman admitted his application was false in that he even said in his own words he created that association as a means to dupe the public. </p>
<p>But if we go deeper we find a few things, among them is that the AR-15 was not originally created as a &#8216;military rifle&#8217;, but rather the original design was intended to be a civilian semi-auto sporting rifle with &#8216;military style cosmetics&#8217; intended to appeal to a growing &#8216;nich&#8217; market of gun owners who wanted such a rifle. It was not until a little later that the design was granted the Armalite design designation &#8216;AR-15&#8217;. If we research further we find that the AR-15 was never really a military rifle at all as it was never, and has never been in use as, a issued U.S. military rifle contrary to what the anti-gun claim &#8211; it actually began life as a civilian only rifle design, it was designed &#8216;AR-15&#8217; (the 15th rifle design in the ARmalite design cycle of rifles in general), changes were made to the design in an attempt to provide a military model of the original civilian design to attract the military market but this attempt by Armalite failed to capture the military market. Now enters Colt, who buys the patent for the &#8216;AR-15&#8217;, they do some re-design producing what is in effect a &#8216;different&#8217; design that&#8217;s focused on the military market that Colt wanted to capture and it worked, and then the Colt re-design of the Armalite patent was designated the &#8216;M-16&#8217;. </p>
<p>I bring this up to show one of the little word and semantics games the anti-gun play. Contrary to what the anti-gun say, the civilian semi-auto AR-15 was never originally created as a &#8216;weapon of war&#8217; or &#8216;assault weapon&#8217; for the U.S. military. It was originally created as a civil only semi-auto rifle and never entered U.S. military service. Josh Sugarman knew this, he even used old Armalite documents (from the original company and designers, not the same as today&#8217;s Armalite which is owned now by a different company who purchased the name and DBA Armalite) in his research that showed this to be true and stated as such in some of his older writings and musings under different &#8216;pseudonyms&#8217; he frequently used to spew anti-gun rethoric in writings, and sources on line have verified the true origin of the AR-15 as a civilian only rifle to be true. Unfortunately, in the gun community the first they really heard of the rifle was as the &#8216;AR-15&#8217; when Eugene Stoner adapted the original civilian only design to attempt to capture the military market when it was then designated &#8216;AR-15&#8217; so he is credited with &#8216;creation&#8217; of the AR-15 even though he didn&#8217;t actually &#8216;originally create&#8217; it but rather adapted the original civilian only design that had not been given a design designation because it was not going to be marketed because Eugene Stoner came along and convinced Armalite to focus on the military market (this decision is what eventually caused the original Armalite to fail and force the sell of patents to Colt). </p>
<p>But, Josh Sugarman was also a fan of Paul Joseph Goebbels, yes that Goebbels &#8211; the chief propagandist for the Nazi Party and then Reich Minister of Propaganda from 1933 to 1945, one of Hitlers buddies. Sugarman had studied and adopted the techniques and methods of Goebbels for how words and semantics and numbers could be used to fool people into believing a false narrative to gain control of a population and enrich the &#8216;ruling class&#8217;. Sugarman began to push these techniques into the anti-gun efforts and line it up for anti-gun &#8216;researchers&#8217;. And today&#8217;s modern incarnation of gun-control narrative, as a result Sugarmans efforts, is one of the biggest frauds perpetrated on the American public.</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[.40 cal Booger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2025 19:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2025/06/17/pritzker-semi-auto-ban-n1228960]]></description>
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