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	Comments on: In Their VanDerStok Ruling, the Supreme Court Majority Used a &#8216;Know-It-When-You See-It&#8217; Approach	</title>
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		By: I Haz A Question		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2025 14:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/in-their-vanderstok-ruling-the-supreme-court-majority-used-a-know-it-when-you-see-it-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-30689&quot;&gt;.40 cal Booger&lt;/a&gt;.

This was my concern as well, and my take on it as well.  I&#039;m waiting for more details to emerge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/in-their-vanderstok-ruling-the-supreme-court-majority-used-a-know-it-when-you-see-it-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-30689">.40 cal Booger</a>.</p>
<p>This was my concern as well, and my take on it as well.  I&#8217;m waiting for more details to emerge.</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/in-their-vanderstok-ruling-the-supreme-court-majority-used-a-know-it-when-you-see-it-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-30690&quot;&gt;.40 cal Booger&lt;/a&gt;.

ahhh... there it is, thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/in-their-vanderstok-ruling-the-supreme-court-majority-used-a-know-it-when-you-see-it-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-30690">.40 cal Booger</a>.</p>
<p>ahhh&#8230; there it is, thanks.</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2025 16:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[can ya get my comment out of moderation please. thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can ya get my comment out of moderation please. thanks.</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2025 16:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But a number of considerations persuade us that, even as sold, the &#039;Buy Build Shoot&#039; kit qualifies as a &#039;weapon.&#039; ”

But if its not a kit then its not a &#039;weapon&#039; ?
At what point does it become a &#039;kit&#039;?
If it doesn&#039;t include the jigs when sold, or the jigs are purchased separately, is it a &#039;kit&#039; and weapon?

According to 80PercetArms in explaining the change &#062; https://www.80percentarms.com/ATF-RULE-FAQ/ :

&quot;Based on our reading, the Supreme Court’s decision in VanDerStok v. Garland does not outlaw 80% AR lowers.

The ruling specifically addressed the ATF’s authority to regulate certain weapon parts kits and partially complete frames or receivers, primarily focusing on pistol build kits, like Polymer80’s “Buy Build Shoot” kits, which include everything needed to quickly assemble a working handgun.

This decision does not automatically ban 80% AR lowers when sold on their own without jigs.

The fight is ongoing, and there’s still room to challenge how the ATF applies this rule to specific products but to be clear:

    AR lowers are not banned.

    This ruling does not apply to all 80% products.

    It primarily impacts 80% pistol frames bundled in kits.

    76% Frames are still available on our website&quot;

So according to that, as long as its not bundled in a kit its not a &#039;weapon&#039; under the VanDerStok v. Garland decision. So, for pistol, break it up so not everything is bundled in single &#039;kit&#039;

Anyway, this ruling it seems (maybe) may not apply to the individual but rather an actual manufacturer or an FFL license holder meaning if you have a &#039;kit&#039; you are free to go ahead and build it?

Armed Attorneys discussed it here &#062; What are your rights now? SCOTUS Betrayed the 2A on Frames and Receivers &#062; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHmHhX3X78E]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But a number of considerations persuade us that, even as sold, the &#8216;Buy Build Shoot&#8217; kit qualifies as a &#8216;weapon.&#8217; ”</p>
<p>But if its not a kit then its not a &#8216;weapon&#8217; ?<br />
At what point does it become a &#8216;kit&#8217;?<br />
If it doesn&#8217;t include the jigs when sold, or the jigs are purchased separately, is it a &#8216;kit&#8217; and weapon?</p>
<p>According to 80PercetArms in explaining the change &gt; <a href="https://www.80percentarms.com/ATF-RULE-FAQ/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.80percentarms.com/ATF-RULE-FAQ/</a> :</p>
<p>&#8220;Based on our reading, the Supreme Court’s decision in VanDerStok v. Garland does not outlaw 80% AR lowers.</p>
<p>The ruling specifically addressed the ATF’s authority to regulate certain weapon parts kits and partially complete frames or receivers, primarily focusing on pistol build kits, like Polymer80’s “Buy Build Shoot” kits, which include everything needed to quickly assemble a working handgun.</p>
<p>This decision does not automatically ban 80% AR lowers when sold on their own without jigs.</p>
<p>The fight is ongoing, and there’s still room to challenge how the ATF applies this rule to specific products but to be clear:</p>
<p>    AR lowers are not banned.</p>
<p>    This ruling does not apply to all 80% products.</p>
<p>    It primarily impacts 80% pistol frames bundled in kits.</p>
<p>    76% Frames are still available on our website&#8221;</p>
<p>So according to that, as long as its not bundled in a kit its not a &#8216;weapon&#8217; under the VanDerStok v. Garland decision. So, for pistol, break it up so not everything is bundled in single &#8216;kit&#8217;</p>
<p>Anyway, this ruling it seems (maybe) may not apply to the individual but rather an actual manufacturer or an FFL license holder meaning if you have a &#8216;kit&#8217; you are free to go ahead and build it?</p>
<p>Armed Attorneys discussed it here &gt; What are your rights now? SCOTUS Betrayed the 2A on Frames and Receivers &gt; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHmHhX3X78E" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHmHhX3X78E</a></p>
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