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	Comments on: WarBird New Line of Level II and IIIA Body Armor &#8211; NRAAM	</title>
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		By: SAFEupstateFML		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2024 18:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3335&quot;&gt;Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Meh I saw so much of it (5 out of 7 bids) that I really don&#039;t think of it as odd anymore. Especially seeing similar stuff from the 1920&#039;s now that I really look back. If anything this is underselling the product as the ones I saw didn&#039;t have anything between the vest and the person besides a tee shirt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3335">Dude</a>.</p>
<p>Meh I saw so much of it (5 out of 7 bids) that I really don&#8217;t think of it as odd anymore. Especially seeing similar stuff from the 1920&#8217;s now that I really look back. If anything this is underselling the product as the ones I saw didn&#8217;t have anything between the vest and the person besides a tee shirt.</p>
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		By: Dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2024 21:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3282&quot;&gt;JimB&lt;/a&gt;.

The article said his dad did it in the 70s to finally make some sales. It kind of makes sense because that&#039;s what his dad did. I still don&#039;t care for it though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3282">JimB</a>.</p>
<p>The article said his dad did it in the 70s to finally make some sales. It kind of makes sense because that&#8217;s what his dad did. I still don&#8217;t care for it though.</p>
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		By: SAFEupstateFML		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SAFEupstateFML]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2024 16:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3302&quot;&gt;Geoff PR&lt;/a&gt;.

If you are stopping a 3a+ with a level 2 vest sure. If it meets NIJ cert the chances of bone damage are very low even if thin (which is often more rigid depending on material). And sorry if I am an ass with this topic I spent the better part of 2 years having to deal with all manner of discussion, product review , multiple levels of fuddlore which admittedly was relevant in the 60&#039;s to early 80&#039;s. With that said thin kevlar was one of the culprits of excess energy transfer but that material in general was amazing for stopping contact shots that can get through the newer uhmwpe (something about weakening under heat) while the uhmwpe tends to take higher velocity pistol rounds way better (tokarov, high speed copper solids, non AP 5.7 etc). So I do wonder how the hybrid panels will split those differences.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3302">Geoff PR</a>.</p>
<p>If you are stopping a 3a+ with a level 2 vest sure. If it meets NIJ cert the chances of bone damage are very low even if thin (which is often more rigid depending on material). And sorry if I am an ass with this topic I spent the better part of 2 years having to deal with all manner of discussion, product review , multiple levels of fuddlore which admittedly was relevant in the 60&#8217;s to early 80&#8217;s. With that said thin kevlar was one of the culprits of excess energy transfer but that material in general was amazing for stopping contact shots that can get through the newer uhmwpe (something about weakening under heat) while the uhmwpe tends to take higher velocity pistol rounds way better (tokarov, high speed copper solids, non AP 5.7 etc). So I do wonder how the hybrid panels will split those differences.</p>
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		By: Geoff PR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff PR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2024 13:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3243&quot;&gt;SAFEupstateFML&lt;/a&gt;.

You certainly can get thin, light body armor, but the price will be broken ribs.

Having had broken ribs (broken, not just cracked), recovery can take a few months, and it freaking *hurts* just to breathe.

The worst part of every day was just getting out of bed…]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3243">SAFEupstateFML</a>.</p>
<p>You certainly can get thin, light body armor, but the price will be broken ribs.</p>
<p>Having had broken ribs (broken, not just cracked), recovery can take a few months, and it freaking *hurts* just to breathe.</p>
<p>The worst part of every day was just getting out of bed…</p>
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		By: SAFEupstateFML		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SAFEupstateFML]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2024 10:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3282&quot;&gt;JimB&lt;/a&gt;.

I apologize it goes back to the 70&#039;s.https://chicago.suntimes.com/movies-and-tv/2022/12/7/23494631/2nd-chance-review-bulletproof-vest-documentary-second-chance-body-armor-richard-davis-zylon

Only ever had to review the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s videos for various contract proposals (several companies never updated their material).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3282">JimB</a>.</p>
<p>I apologize it goes back to the 70&#8217;s.<a href="https://chicago.suntimes.com/movies-and-tv/2022/12/7/23494631/2nd-chance-review-bulletproof-vest-documentary-second-chance-body-armor-richard-davis-zylon" rel="nofollow ugc">https://chicago.suntimes.com/movies-and-tv/2022/12/7/23494631/2nd-chance-review-bulletproof-vest-documentary-second-chance-body-armor-richard-davis-zylon</a></p>
<p>Only ever had to review the 80&#8217;s and 90&#8217;s videos for various contract proposals (several companies never updated their material).</p>
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		By: SAFEupstateFML		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SAFEupstateFML]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2024 09:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3282&quot;&gt;JimB&lt;/a&gt;.

Sure if you are that lazy/contrarian:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1ODS4mCAE&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IwBLL7Z3OvU&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o5f1Fo4r4_I&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SEwqJJTfvo0&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D

Keep in mind a lot more exist but are more promotional videos that are either archived by the company or paywalled by various .org&#039;s but have  a half assed YouTube search to cover a half assed request. As to the stupid part eh maybe but it works.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3282">JimB</a>.</p>
<p>Sure if you are that lazy/contrarian:</p>
<p><a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1ODS4mCAE&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D" rel="nofollow ugc">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1ODS4mCAE&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D</a><br />
<a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IwBLL7Z3OvU&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D" rel="nofollow ugc">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IwBLL7Z3OvU&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D</a><br />
<a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o5f1Fo4r4_I&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D" rel="nofollow ugc">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o5f1Fo4r4_I&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D</a><br />
<a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SEwqJJTfvo0&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D" rel="nofollow ugc">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SEwqJJTfvo0&#038;pp=ygUWODAncyBrZXZlbGFyIHZlc3QgdGVzdA%3D%3D</a></p>
<p>Keep in mind a lot more exist but are more promotional videos that are either archived by the company or paywalled by various .org&#8217;s but have  a half assed YouTube search to cover a half assed request. As to the stupid part eh maybe but it works.</p>
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		By: JimB		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JimB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2024 02:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3277&quot;&gt;SAFEupstateFML&lt;/a&gt;.

You do realize that makes it none-the-less moronic...right? But yeah...show me a video or advert from the 80s, or even the 90s, where a company did this. I&#039;ll wait.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3277">SAFEupstateFML</a>.</p>
<p>You do realize that makes it none-the-less moronic&#8230;right? But yeah&#8230;show me a video or advert from the 80s, or even the 90s, where a company did this. I&#8217;ll wait.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SAFEupstateFML]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2024 00:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3273&quot;&gt;JimB&lt;/a&gt;.

You do realize that has been a standard gimmick since the 80&#039;s right? Also one that most of not all of the relevant companies in this product space have done at some point. Now if he did a magnum contact shot with ultra thin pure uhmwpe yeah that would be all kinds of stupid but this isn&#039;t particularly impressive or outlandish.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://staging.shootingnewsweekly.com/gear-news/warbird-new-line-of-level-ii-and-iiia-body-armor-nraam/comment-page-1/#comment-3273">JimB</a>.</p>
<p>You do realize that has been a standard gimmick since the 80&#8217;s right? Also one that most of not all of the relevant companies in this product space have done at some point. Now if he did a magnum contact shot with ultra thin pure uhmwpe yeah that would be all kinds of stupid but this isn&#8217;t particularly impressive or outlandish.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JimB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2024 23:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah...I just can&#039;t buy products from a company where owner is a complete freakin&#039; iditot. Farnum&#039;s law]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230;I just can&#8217;t buy products from a company where owner is a complete freakin&#8217; iditot. Farnum&#8217;s law</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SAFEupstateFML]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2024 18:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Was wondering about the composition as uhmwpe tends to have issues with contact (or close enough) shots but looks like everything from kevlar to hybrid blends with pricing going up as thickness/weight goes down so not at all a bad start. Would need to dust off the comparisons and standards for soft armor as I really only kept up with plates for the past decade but from the spec sheet it looks similar to a decade ago (including prices) so that is encouraging.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was wondering about the composition as uhmwpe tends to have issues with contact (or close enough) shots but looks like everything from kevlar to hybrid blends with pricing going up as thickness/weight goes down so not at all a bad start. Would need to dust off the comparisons and standards for soft armor as I really only kept up with plates for the past decade but from the spec sheet it looks similar to a decade ago (including prices) so that is encouraging.</p>
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