Lets see if myner49er agrees that the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5t, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th RIGHTS should require ‘training and skill proficiency test requirements’ and a permission from government via permit to exercise those.

“We claim them from a higher source – from the King of kings, and Lord of all the earth. They are not annexed to us by parchments and seals. They are created in us by the decrees of Providence, which establish the laws of our nature. They are born with us; exist with us; and cannot be taken from us by any human power, without taking our lives.

—- John Dickinson, on the source of our Rights, 1776″

“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature.

—- Samuel Adams in writings four years before the Declaration of Independence” (In short, you don’t have intellectual rights, or rights of the mind, or property rights, or anything else – like a right to life – unless you also have the right to defend them from being taken from you.)

“The first principle of government is founded on the natural right of individuals, and in perfect equality. Locke, Vattel, Lord Somers, and Dr. Priestley, all confirm this principle.

—- Luther Martin in the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, and to affirm that of Samuel Adams (above)” (an on affirming the role of government is to protect and defend rights, not control them or burden them or infringe them.)

Rights are not gifts to be given us as permissions by governments, as Thomas Paine wrote:

“An enquiry into the origin of rights will demonstrate to us that rights are not gifts from one man to another, nor from one class of men to another.

(and further writings from Paine)

“A declaration of rights is not a creation of them, nor a donation of them. It is a manifest of the principle by which they exist, followed by a detail of what the rights are.” (thus the added detail of what those rights are codified in the first 10 in the Bill of Rights supporting and for the defense of ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

And to put it best, Thomas Jefferson wrote: “A free people [claim] their rights, as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.”

The intent was clearly that government authority was to keep away from the rights of the people, not to infringe or control them and not burden the exercise of them (i.e. levy fees or ‘training and skill proficiency test requirements’ and permission from government via permit requirement and restrictions on where or how or with what they can be exercised). These are natural unalienable Rights, they do not belong to governments to control or permit or be burdened with requirement to be exercised. But at the same time Its also clear that, obviously, criminal conduct in harming others was not intended but just as clear is that its not somehow governments rights to impose upon those not in-such-criminal-conduct to burden their rights with infringe or control them and burden the exercise of them (i.e. levy fees or ‘training and skill proficiency test requirements’ and permission from government via permit requirement and restrictions on where or how or with what they can be exercised) as the excuse or means to ‘control’ such criminal conduct as the founders recognized this as what it is, a thing they called tyranny.

myner49er has the typical radical extremism left-wing mindset – Tyranny.

myner49er interpretation of the second amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed if the people have government permission and a permit after paying fees and undergoing government approved training myner49er agrees with.

Or in other words, not a right but a privilege controlled by government.

myner49er has the typical radical extremism left-wing mindset – rights don’t exist, its privileges granted and controlled by government, despite the intent clearly laid out by those that wrote down these 10 in the bill of rights and defined what they meant in their own words in their own writings in the federalist writings that they do not belong to government to control in any manner.

“I understand you may be annoyed by my opinion,”

That’s funny, you assume you have an opinion instead of the reality of your mental illness trolling on a 4 year old level.

What about a woman in nj that was murdered by her ex while still jumping through the hoops to get a gun?

That’s right. Twitter was valued at $10B right before the value was pumped up due to Elon moving to buy it. He said he was fine with overpaying. They didn’t want Elon to have it (because it functioned as a left wing disinformation bubble), but they had to sell because it was in the best interest of the shareholders. Twitter initially lost revenue from left wing corporations leaving in protest, but they still made TWICE the profit due to Elon whipping it into shape. Those companies eventually came back. Then X was recently valued at $44B.

You do realize that Elon is basically selling the company to himself, right? I already told you this was planned. Elon is very happy with the situation.

As you missed the point of their never being a required necessity.

“If someone can’t afford the time or fees or can’t pass a test, they are denied their rights“

I guess you’ve missed the part where I’ve posted many times that the training and skill proficiency test requirements should be free.

“To insure fair and legal elections a set of reasonable requirements, such as ID, seams pretty easy and reasonable“

Yes, that’s why my state requires presentation of photo ID when you’re registered to vote, that’s fair and reasonable.

“A waiting period on abortions seems easy and reasonable.“

Obviously, you know nothing about the medical necessity of abortions.

“Georgia Police Jailed Woman for Miscarriage and Performed Autopsy on Her Miscarried Fetus
The 24-year-old was found unconscious and bleeding near her apartment building. She was arrested and charged with “concealing the death of another person” and “abandonment of a dead body.”
By Kylie Cheung | March 27, 2025 | 11:57am
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Georgia Police Jailed Woman for Miscarriage and Performed Autopsy on Her Miscarried Fetus
A 24-year-old Georgia woman was arrested by local police last week after having a miscarriage. The woman was found unconscious and bleeding near her apartment building in Tifton, Georgia, only to be charged with “concealing the death of another person” and “abandonment of a dead body.” Police recovered fetal remains in a nearby dumpster after receiving a tip from a witness who claimed to have seen the woman disposing of the remains. Officers then collected the fetal remains to conduct an autopsy.

On Tuesday, authorities released the findings of the autopsy: According to local news station WALB, the county coroner uncovered “no signs of injury or trauma, and the baby never took a breath,” confirming that a natural miscarriage had occurred at about 19 weeks. Yet the criminal charges against the 24-year-old remain. The “concealing the death of another person” charge comes with up to 10 years in prison in Georgia, while the “abandonment of a dead body” charges comes with up to three.“

“every butt must have its pimple, I suppose“

So you are characterizing this forum as a butt?

I understand you may be annoyed by my opinion, but I’m rather surprised you’d be that disrespectful to the owners of this forum.

You said Elon had “whipped twitter/x into shape”.

Purchased for $44b.

Sold for $33b.

Net loss $11b.

Yeah, somebody got whipped alright.

“Elon Musk sells X to his own xAI for $33 billion in all-stock deal
Elon Musk has sold social media site X to his own xAI artificial intelligence company in a $33 billion all-stock deal, the billionaire announced on Friday
ByBARBARA ORTUTAY AP technology writer
March 28, 2025, 6:52 PM

Musk, who serves as CEO of Tesla and SpaceX as well as an advisor to President Donald Trump, bought the site then called Twitter for $44 billion in 2022, gutted its staff and changed its policies on hate speech, misinformation and user verification and renamed it X.“