When we include just ‘violence’ from trans (just including suicide – about ~42% actually for this time frame – which is self-harm violence and inter-community trans-on-trans violence) for 2021 – 2025 … its ~ 58% of the trans-community is violent. (note: this is not including the very public displays of violence from trans involved in BLM and no-kings and other protests, nor is it including the various trans ‘groups’ advocating and calling for violence – if those are included for this time frame it makes about ~75% of the trans community violent. Collectively, in just terms of ‘violence’, all this together (including the trans killers in this time frame) (or just the suicide/trans-on-trans inter-community standing alone) makes the trans community the most violent demographic in the country.)

When the trans community says ‘we are not violent people’ – well, you can apply what ever spin you want, but the trans community is full of violent people.

People often think about ‘transgender’ as being male-to-female or female-to-male only. But that’s not true. There are actually three ‘classes’ of ‘transgender’, these are male-to-female, female-to-male, AND ‘non-binary’ identifying. Trans have been rampaging around society killing or attempting to kill people for a long time.

A few of the more notable, out of thousands, of the trans killers since the 1990’s (not all are mass-shooters):

Donna Perry – (born Douglas R. Perry), serial killer.

Ziz (real name Jack LaSota) – leader of the Zizian trans murder cult with 30 other trans members [either direct members or associate] involved in murder.

Michelle Zajko – member of the Zizian trans murder cult

Daniel Blank – member of the Zizian trans murder cult

Felix “Ophelia” Baukholt – member of the Zizian trans murder cult

Teresa Youngblut – – member of the Zizian trans murder cult

Anderson Lee Aldrich

Harvey Marcelin – serial killer

Audrey Hale

Devon Erickson

Alec McKinney (privately to friends declared to be non-binary)

Snochia Moseley

Robert ‘Robin’ Westman

Julie Mikela Winters (born Christopher Hudson – this was an attempted murder, storms NYC police precinct and attempts to kill police officers with knife)

Reya Jasmin

Julie Mikela Winters (real name Christopher Hudson – attempted murder with knife)

In the wake of a report floating the idea of transgender gun bans, there has been a lot of discourse in the Second Amendment Movement. Mark Smith Four Boxes Diner discusses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73xb16ntvNA

ok, that posts was really messed up with lots of duplicates for some reason (no, I did not pasted it all back in like that, this darn browser spell check thing goes nuts sometimes, I gotta dump that software add on), here it is again without all the duplication…

“If gender dysphoria is a gun-prohibiting mental illnesses, then so is PTSD, post-partum depression, plain old depression, and anything else you want to include.”

This is a false comparison argument that’s frequently put forth by LGBTQ+ orgs in different contexts to distract from the ‘gender dysphoria’ to make it seem some how ‘normal’ in the main stream.

gender dysphoria is not like PTSD, post-partum depression, plain old depression.

‘gender dysphoria’ is part of the constellation of constructs called ‘gender identity’. Basically, in science (all disciplines including medical), a ‘construct’ is something that is created from distorting or rearranging something else in some way because what you are trying to create does not exist in reality. The existence of a ‘construct’ does not mean its organic reality. For example, a physically normal human person who has a ‘gender identity’ of being non-binary – that is a construct that does not exist in reality, in their minds they have distorted the reality to create their own self-view of non-binary when the reality is for a physically normal human person there are either male or female. As a comparison to an organic reality, for example, plastic is a ‘construct’ – its made from rearranging chemical compounds such as ethylene and propylene, polymerizing them, to form long chains of molecules that from the ‘plastic’ we make thing from – ‘plastic’ is not an organic reality, there are no ‘plastic trees or plants from which we harvest ‘plastic’, but on the other hand the crude oil and natural gas that is refined to form the ethylene and propylene is organic reality as is, for example, the rain water that falls from the sky during a storm.

‘transgender’ consists of three main categories (classes), these are male-to-female, female-to-male, and ‘non-binary’ identifying – it is not an organic reality. Each of these has created a construct of their gender identity, a construct that distorts the reality of their sense of gender. For a basic example, male-to-female trans say they ‘feel’ like they are female so want to be female instead of the male they are biologically – they have distorted the reality of the biological fact (the organic reality) of being male by suppressing it to create the construct they feel like female and want to be female, so they do the drugs and surgery in an attempt to create that construct but the organic reality is they are biologically male so in biology their ‘physical manifestation’ of their construct, although maybe pleasing to them, is not the organic reality that they are male biologically.

In other words, ‘gender dysphoria’ is a distortion of ‘gender identity’ to create something that in reality does not exist. ‘gender dysphoria’ is not actually a primary symptom – it is a secondary symptom that (for the vast majority of trans) masks a deeper more serious mental illness issue or issues. Basically, because its not a primary symptom its called a ‘disorder’ (of distress) – but its still a mental illness, a part of a deeper more serious mental illness issue or issues.

The more serious mental illness issue or issues is why the suicide rate is 40% in the trans community and why ‘domestic violence’ incidents are so high in the ‘trans’ community and depression rates (usually leading to suicide) are so high in the trans community. The deeper mental health issue is never addressed and the result from not being addressed means there are basically a lot of ‘ticking time bombs’ out there waiting to lash out either by breaking down completely at some point or commit violent acts either against their self or someone else. The trans community likes to blame all this, in some way or another, on ‘society’ – ‘oh, if you will just give us trans rights we will be fine’, ‘oh, if you will stop misgendering us we will be fine’, ‘oh, if you will just let us use a restroom that matches the gender we say we are it will make everything ok’. This is the same ‘argument’ they presented to justify their trans, ‘oh, just let me be the gender I think I am and everything will be ok’ – the reality is its never ok with (the vast majority of) them. It wasn’t ok after they had the drugs and surgery, it wasn’t ok after they started claiming to be ‘non-binary’, ‘it wasn’t ok when they lived as and dressed as their claimed gender’ – it wasn’t ok because they started to view the world through the eyes of a construct that wasn’t reality and demanded the world conform to and accept their construct and leave actual reality behind to please them. Trans will never be the organic reality they want to identify as, they will always be a construct of something that does not actually exist – they may be ‘physically’ here but their construct will always be just that, a construct and not organic reality no matter how they view themselves or how loud they scream about it and somewhere inside them there is probably something that reminds them of this and it really makes them angry but on the other hand there are some trans who have come to terms with it and go on with their lives.

PTSD, post-partum depression, plain old depression are not like ‘gender dysphoria’ at all. Each of those, the PTSD, post-partum depression, plain old depression are grounded in the reality that there is a cause for them – they were not created from a distortion of something to create something that does not exist.

correction for: “Its banning those who have been diagnosed as having a mental illness issue”

should have been …

Its banning those who have been adjudicated as having a mental illness issue

“But to answer your question, no the 4473 does not ask you if you have a mental illness….it asks you if you have been adjudicated mentally defective. ”

That’s not correct because in reality the 4473 does ask about ‘mental illness’ as this is what “adjudicated as a mental defective” means…. (See 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g)(4) and 924(a)(2). The terms enumerated below are located in 27 C.F.R. § 478.11.)

“A person is ‘adjudicated as a mental defective’ if a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority has made a determination that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, MENTAL ILLNESS, incompetency, condition, or disease:

Is a danger to himself or to others;
Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs;
Is found insane by a court in a criminal case; or
Is found incompetent to stand trial, or not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility, pursuant to articles 50a and 72b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.S.C. §§ 850a, 876b’

https://www.atf.gov/file/58791/download

so in effect it is asking if one has been ‘adjudicated as…mentally ill’ by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority making that determination.

“Who would have thought that conservatives would be supporting gun bans, and liberals would be opposed to them. Strange world.”

That’s not true. Trump is talking about the law, those that have been, like the law says, ‘adjudicated’ mentally ill. Simply having gender dysphoria is not ‘adjudicated’ as having a mental illness. The can still seek treatment from mental health professionals and its not an adjudication. This is about those adjudicated with mental illness, currently that is being hidden from being disclosed by dem and liberal laws and programs catering to trans.

So that’s the ban being talked about, exposing those trans allowing the law to be applied just like its applied to non-trans now.

Its what the dems have been wanting and apply to non-trans in blue states now, only they have been not applying it to trans. Why should adjudicated trans mental illness not be included too? If non-trans can be red flagged for mental illness then trans can too and do not get special protection from it like they get now in blue States.

Yes, the 2A is for everyone. But, the 2A is not for, in the context as you put it previously KJ, for others to use it to take your rights.

You expressed that you would protect/support those who would take your rights from you, That’s insane. I pointed this out but you doubled down and started goal-post shifting and ignored context.

Its not anti-2A or un-American to object to that form of tyranny, those others taking your rights from you. But evidently from your post reply to Chris, you would protect and support that tyranny.

So no matter Miner49er under which name you post, be it ‘KJ’ or ‘SKP5885’ or ‘Missy12’, it is not antti-2A or un-American to object to tyranny and those that would support and protect it. So why don’t you go troll elsewhere.

As long as you get them adjudicated as mentally defective first……then I have no problem with you taking away someones 2A rights. If you cannot cross that hurdle then a blanket ban would be unconstitutional.

But to answer your question, no the 4473 does not ask you if you have a mental illness….it asks you if you have been adjudicated mentally defective. Words have meanings and are important. Ottherwise anyone who has seen a doctor for depression, PTSD or other “somewhat” common dissorder could be barred from the 2A.

I do agree that pot should not be a disqualifier…but legally it might be.

“The mentally ill are statutorily prohibited from owning firearms.”

not exactly… they have to be ‘adjudicated’ as mentally ill or ‘committed’ to a facility/institution/hospital for mental illness – by a lawful authority, to be deemed prohibited.