Comments on: Myth Busted: Shotguns Are Not Low Capacity Self-Defense Weapons

By: Travis Lee Pike

Travis Lee Pike — Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:17:08 +0000

In reply to S'Naut Right. Dude, youre telling me birdshot lifted a man off the ground? Please consult a physics classic asap. No shotgun round that can be shoulder fired is lifting a man off the ground.

By: SemperFido

SemperFido — Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:03:19 +0000

In reply to JC. My favorite crayon color was black. So my teeth would match my heart

By: JC

JC — Tue, 19 Aug 2025 18:00:55 +0000

I resemble that remark. “Math For Marines”. Semper Fi. Carry On.

By: PDWS

PDWS — Tue, 19 Aug 2025 14:45:53 +0000

In reply to Boomer. You are absolutely right. That same logic should be applied to "Flitecontrol". People use it thinking "expensive = premium = good". Flitecontrol is very good at its stated purpose, which is putting a good pattern on target at long range. A good pattern is a good pattern, and shotgun pellets disperse conically. It is simply, physically and mathematically impossible for a gun / load combo that gets a good pattern at 35yds to get a good pattern at 5yds.

By: S'Naut Right

S'Naut Right — Tue, 19 Aug 2025 12:42:51 +0000

Proved with a live fire, live human test in 1972, August in Illinois by 4 rather stupid and testosterone addled teens including myself I can delcare that a 12 guage 2 3/4, #9 shot skeet load at 30 yards will knock a man down like a building was dropped on him. He won’t stay down and will not even bleed with just a t-shirt on. But the direction is flat on the ground as if the target died on his feet and had no chance to catch himself in the fall. Now interpolate that 30 yard, roughly 30″ pattern at 1,200fps at the muzzle approximately down to close range; self defense range. Second live fire test with a human occurred late that year during pheasant season with #6 shot at over 50 yards where the load skipped off of frozen dirt, hit that person in the throat, lifted him off the ground and planted him on his butt. That was me. One pellet. That’s called a hunting accident. Whomever says birdshot is unsuitable for personal defense has NEVER been shot with it at any range much less at personal defense ranges. Go shoot a metal barrel at 10 yards/30feet with a game load.

By: top secret

top secret — Tue, 19 Aug 2025 02:55:11 +0000

Not mentioned in the article, most tube-fed shotguns can be topped off as they’re being fired. Shoot one, load one. Magazine-fed guns are faster to fully reload but more difficult to partially reload.
A 12-gauge shotgun is my preferred home defense long gun. I first came across an article on Swift Silent Deadly explaining pretty much what this article said. A shotgun is not a low-capacity weapon when you think in terms of servings of lead. One 00-buck shell simultaneously delivers eight or nine .30-.32 caliber pellets at a healthy speed. A slug delivers an ounce of .75″ diameter lead even faster. That’s a lot of lead and is the equivalent of several shots from a pistol or rifle. A shotgun’s magazine carries about the same amount of lead as a magazine. Aiming is still mandatory because at inside of house distances the spread is about that of a fist or small plate. For defensive purposes, I prefer a semiauto shotgun with shells I know will cycle it. That gets me some recoil reduction as well as not having to worry about short-stroking it.

By: Boomer

Boomer — Tue, 19 Aug 2025 02:10:54 +0000

The thoughts about mini shells usually leave out one factor. Distance. Realistic in home gun fight range is 12 feet to touching. All the statements about the lousy patterns and terrible penetration come from people shooting mini shells from 10 to 15 yards on average. That’s 30 to 45 feet. If you shoot someone from 45 feet away in most instances I wouldn’t want to be your lawyer.
At point blank range #4 buck works quite well without as much worry about pellets going through walls and hitting someone. Buckshot or slugs, minis will do the job at realistic gunfight ranges.
Have I shot a human with #4? Not yet thank god. But while hunting I ran into a feral shepherd mix dog and one round took care of the situation nicely. That wasn’t a mini shell but it was #4 buck.

By: David Deplorable

David Deplorable — Tue, 19 Aug 2025 01:00:48 +0000

Even the baddest bad guys don’t get up from a loaf of buckshot to the chest. Slugs either.

By: hawkeye

hawkeye — Mon, 18 Aug 2025 21:06:00 +0000

In reply to Chris T in KY. Chris, check ammoseek.com. Select 12 guage, and then when that page loads, select for Federal and type in "flite control" in the "match these words" search box. More listings than you can shake a stick at, and there are listings for either 8-pellet or 9-pellet in 00 Buck shot sizes.

By: Travis Pike

Travis Pike — Mon, 18 Aug 2025 18:48:46 +0000

In reply to Chris T in KY. I haven't had any issues finding them, but I buy in bulk so it's been a while since I've been shopping for them. Bucking Horse Outpost is the last place I got them and they were LEO trade ins if I remember right